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TheHaxor · Dec 08, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

The game was advertised as soloable from the beginning. The game is soloable (by and large anyway) and Anet is well aware that failing to make GW2 soloable would be financial suicide. Many people don't have any interest in playing games with people they don't know. Providing options to allow those that enjoy teaming and those that don't to both play the game is wise, and is exactly the way GW was designed. Don't like it? Go buy a game that requires people to play together. This isn't one, nor is it ever going to be.

Playing this game by yourself is kind of pathetic. It ruins the whole point of online gaming. If you want a game that is solo oriented play Oblivion. I don't see why you browse these forums where you interact with people you don't know on a daily basis, yet you claim you like to play solo so you don't have to interact with people you don't know. That contradicts your entire argument.

Why would I buy another game? This game caters perfectly to those who like to play with other people. It is the solo people that should be finding another game.

I'm not even bitching. I'm just tired of people bitching that you go to certain places solo, as well as the difficulty to solo certain places. The game was not made to be a solo game, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Actually no, no it wasnt.

According to the name of the game, yes it was. They added that shit in order to appeal to another group of people to make more money. Notice how in a lot of areas in this game you have to go with other people to enter?

Vinraith · Dec 08, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Somebody didn't read the original Prophecies box. You picked up a game that caters to solo as well as team players (and most importantly, to people that just want to play with one or two people they actually know), if that bothers you so much I assure you that you're the one that bought the wrong game. This is not an MMO, this is not a "team only" game, and you can whine about people that won't play with you all you want, no one's going to change that. A huge part of the gaming market is people that enjoy playing by themselves, regardless of whether a game happens to be online or not.

I'm always amazed at how the people that most want others to group with them seem to invariably be the most selfish and obnoxious. "Play the game my way or get out" seem to be the rallying cry of the PUG crowd. Gee, why wouldn't I want to play with people like that?

The solo/small group crowd is not going to go away and not going to shut up. You can call us names all you like, it only proves to us that the last kind of game we're interested in is one where we have to play with you.

grottoftl · Dec 08, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Playing this game by yourself is kind of pathetic. It ruins the whole point of online gaming. If you want a game that is solo oriented play Oblivion. I don't see why you browse these forums where you interact with people you don't know on a daily basis, yet you claim you like to play solo so you don't have to interact with people you don't know. That contradicts your entire argument.

Why would I buy another game? This game caters perfectly to those who like to play with other people. It is the solo people that should be finding another game.

I'm not even bitching. I'm just tired of people bitching that you go to certain places solo, as well as the difficulty to solo certain places. The game was not made to be a solo game, sorry.

According to the name of the game, yes it was. They added that shit in order to appeal to another group of people to make more money. Notice how in a lot of areas in this game you have to go with other people to enter?

have you ever played early mmo's? they always had options to play solo and will continue to do so forever. its part of the mmo genre. your reasons saying its online and players have to group with each other is invalid. it doesnt matter if its online or not, they play these games TO PLAY THE GAMES! i bet when choosing to play mmo's, the first thing that comes to a player's mind is not playing with other people, but the gameplay and how much content it offers to enjoy. you cant always be dependant to playing with other people. you forgot that its also an rpg, everyone wants to develop their character on their own

i find it pathetic when mmo's first came out, everyone told the players to go out and do something else instead of playing these games. now that these same people who us that are playing mmo's, but now they trying to force us to group to be "social" and its "online"

you guys arent true gamers, just a bunch of forced-grouping social nazis

sometimes i get the impression you dont have friends in real life and for ones online, but cant because everyone is playing on their own and that makes you angry. which is why you go on a rampage to force everyone to play with you

seriously get a clue

if you want a game where you always interact with players for every little second, go join a social network game such as second life. leave the mmo's because obviously they arent meant for you. they are meant for gamers

TheHaxor · Dec 08, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

have you ever played early mmo's? they always had options to play solo and will continue to do so forever. its part of the mmo genre. your reasons saying its online and players have to group with each other is invalid. it doesnt matter if its online or not, they play these games TO PLAY THE GAMES! i bet when choosing to play mmo's, the first thing that comes to a player's mind is not playing with other people, but the gameplay and how much content it offers to enjoy. you cant always be dependant to playing with other people. you forgot that its also an rpg, everyone wants to develop their character on their own

i find it pathetic when mmo's first came out, everyone told the players to go out and do something else instead of playing these games. now that these same people who us that are playing mmo's, but now they trying to force us to group to be "social" and its "online"

you guys arent true gamers, just a bunch of forced-grouping social nazis

sometimes i get the impression you dont have friends in real life and for ones online, but cant because everyone is playing on their own and that makes you angry. which is why you go on a rampage to force everyone to play with you

seriously get a clue

if you want a game where you always interact with players for every little second, go join a social network game such as second life. leave the mmo's because obviously they arent meant for you. they are meant for gamers

You're an idiot.

Apparently you have never PvPed or played online FPS games, because that would require interaction with other players.

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

Somebody didn't read the original Prophecies box. You picked up a game that caters to solo as well as team players (and most importantly, to people that just want to play with one or two people they actually know), if that bothers you so much I assure you that you're the one that bought the wrong game. This is not an MMO, this is not a "team only" game, and you can whine about people that won't play with you all you want, no one's going to change that. A huge part of the gaming market is people that enjoy playing by themselves, regardless of whether a game happens to be online or not.

I'm always amazed at how the people that most want others to group with them seem to invariably be the most selfish and obnoxious. "Play the game my way or get out" seem to be the rallying cry of the PUG crowd. Gee, why wouldn't I want to play with people like that?

The solo/small group crowd is not going to go away and not going to shut up. You can call us names all you like, it only proves to us that the last kind of game we're interested in is one where we have to play with you.

I'm not telling you to play the game it was meant to be played. I'm telling you that you have no right to bitch about it if you don't play it the way it is meant to be played.

grottoftl · Dec 08, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Apparently you have never PvPed or played online FPS games

yes i have, the reason i didnt mention pvp or online fps games because they are totally different. i know pvp actually requires team play and interaction with other players because its player vs player, you are not spending much time fighting with mindless npc's. online fps are way different from mmo's because you just log on, choose a game match, shoot a bunch of people on a map arena, hope that you will win, and thats it. online fps dont have the same amount of content as mmo's and there really isnt much on the roleplay and character development

Isileth · Dec 08, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Playing this game by yourself is kind of pathetic.

Well thats your opinion. But thats a perfectly fine way to play a game.
Is it pathetic to play single player games?
Maybe I want the content of an online game, minus a few parts such as grouping.

There is a reason a lot of online game support solo play. Because there is a big group of players who play that way.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

It ruins the whole point of online gaming. If you want a game that is solo oriented play Oblivion.

You assume the whole point is to play with other people?
Not everyone plays for the same reasons as you do.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Why would I buy another game? This game caters perfectly to those who like to play with other people. It is the solo people that should be finding another game.

You shouldnt have to buy another game.
Nor should solo players.
The game can be open to both players.

The game was advertised as a game that could be played with others or solo with AI.
Just because you prefer to play one way dont suggest everyone should have to.
Im not here trying to make you play solo or leave, im more than happy for you to carry on pugging.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

The game was not made to be a solo game, sorry.

Unfortunately for you, it was.

Its advertised that way, its been stated in interviews, it was reinforced with heroes in Nightfall and was reinforced again with heroes in GW:EN.

The game can be played solo and in groups, sorry.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

According to the name of the game, yes it was. They added that shit in order to appeal to another group of people to make more money. Notice how in a lot of areas in this game you have to go with other people to enter?

hmm so they added the ability for people to solo.....but dont want people to solo.

Your right that does make sense.

At the end of the day the game supports both groups and solo play.
If you dont like solo play, no one is making you do it.
Why does it effect you anyways?
Let people play how they want.

*edit because I type slow*

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

You're an idiot.

Apparently you have never PvPed or played online FPS games, because that would require interaction with other players.

Because those are PvP?
Where you need another player to play.

GW has PvE as well.
You do not need another player.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

I'm not telling you to play the game it was meant to be played. I'm telling you that you have no right to bitch about it if you don't play it the way it is meant to be played.

Sorry but we are playing it in one of the ways it can and was meant to be played.
Just because you dont choose to play that way doesnt change the fact its part of the game.

Bryant Again · Dec 08, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Isileth

So it was advertised as a game you can play solo.
This has also been supported with the addition of heroes in Nightfall, and again with heroes in GW:EN.

Bear in mind that some people's boxes (example: Minera's Europe Proph. box) didn't have that certain text.

That aside, I don't think there was ever an instance where any ANet official said "this game was meant to be played with people."

And oh boy, sorry Isileth but I'm gonna withdraw from this thread a bit. Looks like it'll get nasty!

TheHaxor · Dec 08, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Isileth

hmm so they added the ability for people to solo.....but dont want people to solo.

Your right that does make sense.

At the end of the day the game supports both groups and solo play.
If you dont like solo play, no one is making you do it.
Why does it effect you anyways?
Let people play how they want.

Since you fail at comprehension: They don't care as much about solo players, therefore quit bitching like you guys are the only people who play this game. You are not the majority.

I said before that I'm sick of solo players bitching about hero caps, hard areas, etc. You are not the majority, so stop acting like your opinion is more important than every else's.

Esan · Dec 08, 2007, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I don't think there was ever an instance where any ANet official said "this game was meant to be played with people."

This game was marketed as a "competitive online role-playing game". Whom are you competing with if not other players? Danika and Brutus? Please.

TheHaxor · Dec 08, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Esan

This game was marketed as a "competitive online role-playing game". Whom are you competing with if not other players? Danika and Brutus? Please.

Quoted for TRUTH.

Isileth · Dec 08, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Bear in mind that some people's boxes (example: Minera's Europe Proph. box) didn't have that certain text.

True, however its also been stated in interviews and in statements etc.
So its not as if it isnt out there for people to read.

[quote-Bryant Again]
That aside, I don't think there was ever an instance where any ANet official said "this game was meant to be played with people."[/QUOTE]

Again true, they support both playstyles and they have a lot more players for that. Its great that they do support both as well.

There are a lot of people who enjoy both, playing with friends when they are on and going solo when they arent for example.

Vinraith · Dec 08, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

The game was not made to be a solo game, sorry.

This is the core of your argument, and it can't be supported. If this is true, why does the game box from the original Prophecies explicitly state that the game can be played solo? I'd never have bought the game if I hadn't been explicitly assured in game advertising and on the box that the game was soloable, and I'm sure that's true of most other solo players. You're trying to tell me you know more about what the game was made to be than Anet does. I don't think so.

[DE] · Dec 08, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Since you fail at comprehension: They don't care as much about solo players, therefore quit bitching like you guys are the only people who play this game. You are not the majority.

I said before that I'm sick of solo players bitching about hero caps, hard areas, etc. You are not the majority, so stop acting like your opinion is more important than every else's.

I lol'd. You're dumb.

TheHaxor · Dec 08, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Isileth

True, however its also been stated in interviews and in statements etc.
So its not as if it isnt out there for people to read.

Again true, they support both playstyles and they have a lot more players for that. Its great that they do support both as well.

There are a lot of people who enjoy both, playing with friends when they are on and going solo when they arent for example.

If you don't like to interact with other players, why are you discussing with us on these forums? Contradiction much? I would just like a reasonable answer to that since judging by what you have posted before I think you just argue for the sake of arguing (see the hero thread).

[DE] · Dec 08, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

If you don't like to interact with other players, why are you discussing with us on these forums? Contradiction much? I would just like a reasonable answer to that since judging by what you have posted before I think you just argue for the sake of arguing (see the hero thread).

I think you just argue for the sake of argument (see this thread)

People can play however they want. Solo players don't affect you and group players don't affect solo players. Stop complaining.

Isileth · Dec 08, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Since you fail at comprehension: They don't care as much about solo players, therefore quit bitching like you guys are the only people who play this game. You are not the majority.

I said before that I'm sick of solo players bitching about hero caps, hard areas, etc. You are not the majority, so stop acting like your opinion is more important than every else's.

Who says they dont care about solo players? You? Do you have some inside info on the matter?

No one is acting like their opinion is more important, perhaps you maybe.
Everyones ingame experience is equal. No one is more or less important.

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Originally Posted by Esan

This game was marketed as a "competitive online role-playing game". Whom are you competing with if not other players? Danika and Brutus? Please.

And how exactly are you competing with them when they are on your team?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And oh boy, sorry Isileth but I'm gonna withdraw from this thread a bit. Looks like it'll get nasty!

Yeah it does look that way.

Guys remember this is just a game.
If people dont agree with you it doesnt matter, everyone is allowed their own opinion and view on things. Dont start attacking people because of that.

You are welcome to disagree and explain why, but dont attack the person. That achieves nothing.

*Edit to respond to missed posts again*

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

If you don't like to interact with other players, why are you discussing with us on these forums? Contradiction much? I would just like a reasonable answer to that since judging by what you have posted before I think you just argue for the sake of arguing (see the hero thread).

When did I say I dont like to interact with other people?
I just dont want to play a game how someone else tells me to play it.
I purchased it to play solo. Its advertised as a game you can play solo. Thats how I intend to play it.

As for arguing for the sake of it. Me a solo player discussing improving solo play.
How foolish of me! I almost thought that was a discussion relevant to my ingame playstyle.

Thanks for spotting that before I continued any further.

And as I said above (Just to make sure people spot it).

Dont attack the person.
Feel free to disagree and say why however. But personal attacks and such dont get anyone anywhere.

TheHaxor · Dec 08, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

I think you just argue for the sake of argument (see this thread)

People can play however they want. Solo players don't affect you and group players don't affect solo players. Stop complaining.

You fail at reading also, therefore I'm not going to give you a decent reply.

Esan · Dec 08, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Isileth

And how exactly are you competing with them when they are on your team?

You are almost there. Make just one more logical inference. Hint: it starts and ends with P.

[DE] · Dec 08, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

You fail at reading also, therefore I'm not going to give you a decent reply.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

I'm not telling you to play the game it was meant to be played. I'm telling you that you have no right to bitch about it if you don't play it the way it is meant to be played.

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

People can play however they want. Solo players don't affect you and group players don't affect solo players. Stop complaining.

Oh I totally understand what you mean now. Not. Once again, Anet does not care if Guild Wars is played solo or with a team. Obviously this statement is reinforced with the addition of heroes and henchman. If Anet wanted this to be a team only game they would not have heroes or even henchman. If I do want to complain I'll complain. However I generally find that the people who do complain are the ones who fail at the game, regardless of whether they play solo or with pugs.

Isileth · Dec 08, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Esan

You are almost there. Make just one more logical inference. Hint: it starts and ends with P.

Solo play has nothing to do with PvP.

This is the discussion of solo play in PvE.

Im completely against AI in PvP if you must know.

And in PvE, in a game that advertises and supports solo play, I fully support and enjoy solo play.